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RIGHTS OF WAY

Please help us protect your rights to trail ride. Without rights of way trail riding cannot take place and this particular means of enjoying the countryside will be forever lost.

 

 

Posted 23 October 2021

Greetings all, I have received a reply from Staffordshire CC regarding their Consultation about the Rakes at Hollinsclough. Both routes are currently closed to ALL users under the terms of an ongoing Traffic Regulation Order. 

I have read the report and it appears to me from the wording that SCC is preparing to claim that there are no Vehicular Rights on either route. We all know that vehicles have been using these two routes since motor vehicles became available to the general public.

PDVUG has yet to hold a meeting to discuss this possible scenario but I am giving you a ‘heads up’ to start looking for documentary evidence, photos, videos, whatever that prove the use for our sport and hobby. Please try to find people who have used the routes in the past as I expect that we shall be looking for User Evidence. If that is the case then I will update you and supply the necessary paperwork for completion.

 https://www.britishpathe.com/video/bemrose-motor-cycle-trial/query/motorcycle

TTFN

 

Hugh.

Posted 21 June 2021 (revised 22 June)

Greetings,

This time a request for your User Evidence for two routes to be sent to DCC before 16th July 2021. The preferred time scale ranges from 1984 to 2004 but all recorded use could be useful.

Claims to add a Byway Open to All Traffic along the non-classified highways;

a) from Minninglow Lane via Roystone Grange – Parish of Ballidon. The unique street reference numbers for this adopted but non categorised street are USRN 10927230 for the northern section connecting point ‘A’ Minninglow Lane to Roystone Grange, the lower section from Roystone Grange to the point ‘B’ is USRN 10900819  and the DCC reference is 25357

b) from Ballidon over White Edge to the B5056 - Parish of Ballidon. The unique street reference number for this adopted but non categorised street is USRN 10990159 and DCC reference 25358

 

Here a) above & here b) above - are maps for each route on to which you must highlight your specific route, signature and date.

You should send any information which you might be able to provide and which you consider may be relevant to the determination of this application, eg copies of any documents including old maps, plans, route cards and photographs, any evidence of how the route has been used by you and the public in the past plus any written statement of any personal experience that you may have of the route.

Your completed UEFs  and maps plus any information or comments you wish DCC to consider should be sent by email to;

Hannah.Roberts@derbyshire.gov.uk

Please send a copy of your completed papers to;

ue_derbyshire@glass-uk.org

 

TTFN

Hugh

 

Posted 2 May- replacing original 29 April 2021 post

Greetings folks, another request for User Evidence.

We have been advised that the Definitive Map Modification Order claim for Uppermoor Farm Lane, in the parish of Parwich,  to be formally recognised as a Byway Open to All Traffic is now being considered.

Although the route is an Adopted highway it currently has no formal classification status. Routes classified as a BOAT would have a public right of way to travel over them by motor vehicles.

To support the original claim we need User Evidence Forms from riders/drivers, especially for the 1984 - 2004 period, records of your earlier or later use would still be welcomed. If you know others who used the route please ask them to complete the forms too.

Your UEF must also include your signed copy of the official consultation map, marked up with the route as ridden/driven by you to personalise it. Your completed documents must be signed, dated and emailed before 21st May 2021 direct to DCC quoting DCC ref: 25356;  Hannah.Roberts@derbyshire.gov.uk 

Remember to keep a scanned copy for your records and please send an additional copy to us so that we can record it and keep it for use in any future public inquiry. Our usual address;  ue_derbyshire@glass-uk.org

The documents for you to download and complete are here:

Uppermoor Consultation plan, Blank user evidence form, Boat DMMO information document

Please help us to keep the lanes open for all to use.


Thank you.


 

TTFN

Posted 5 April 2021

 

Greetings folks, just to give you advance advice that the river crossing at Algreave, Owler’s Bar, has had an official diversion sign and temporary fence erected. The reason behind the diversion is that the now 'closed' to motorists section is actually Wildboarclough FP38.

I know that the shorter crossing has been used by some for years but now things have changed. Please stay to the official route and do not give the antis any ammunition to propose closure of this iconic ford.

Thanks. TTFN.

Added by Mr P: this is the ford known in trials as Worsleys Wash (after Chris Worsley who was a club stalwart for many years until the 1980's you can see him complete with footing coat and gas mask bag in our video here of our snowy 1968 Boxing Day Trial at  Booth Farm)
 

Posted 12 March 2021

Lake District Green Lane Alliance - February Newsletter - rebuttal

Greetings again folks,

Unfortunately there isn't a specific website for this type of message but please feel free to download a copy of the file (here) and distribute it as far and as wide as you possibly can.

We need to ensure that the truth is told as the people behind the Lake District Green Lane Alliance (an anti motorist group in the Lake District) are mostly the same as those of Peak Horse Power (PHP) and GLEAM (Green Lanes Environmental Action Movement). The same mouths present the same half truths and downright lies no matter who the audience. They are devious and deceitful, well educated academically, eloquent and passionate about their cause no matter how hurtful, alienating and division making it is. They are not prepared to accept compromise and they will not rest until they have closed down all motorists' right to use green lanes plus motor sport on private land, yes even trials events.

I have put the attached file on two other motorcyclists' websites too. I know that the opposition read all of our posts, fine but would they please do the honourable thing and not miss quote us but adopt a mindset to work with us for the benefit of all and stop wasting public funds on vicarious claims.

Peak & Derbyshire Vehicle User Group (PDVUG) and Green Lane Association (GLASS) seek to find ways by which all users including ramblers, cyclists, horse riders, carriage drivers, 4X4 plus motorcyclists may take advantage of the routes.

TTFN

Hugh.

 

 

 

Posted 20 February 2021

Greetings all,

Lockdown is driving (sorry for the pun) us all a bit stair crazy looking for things to do. Well, perhaps you might not have yet completed your user evidence for the lanes still currently under threat?

'Covid' is preventing formal meetings such as Public Inquiries into route classifications but I have no doubt that as soon as possible we will be drawn into the fight again. Our Team has been reviewing our (your) evidence packs and we think it would be beneficial to have more to prove our collective use, especially for the twenty years from the 1980s. Earlier and/or later is fine but it does not fit in to the requirements of the specification required by the Inspector.

Please, if you or somebody you know had used the lanes around Taddington particularly New Lane and/or Broadway and Bulltor Lanes then would you contact our coordinating team at;

ue_Derbyshire@glass-UK.org

We need your input to keep these routes open for all users, they are wide enough for safe flow of users to pass each other, have a good ground base and views that are superb so thank you to those who have already been in contact. TTFN

Thanks,

 

Hugh.

 

Posted 6 February 2021 (this is about the posts dated 13 and 11 January below)

Thank you to all who wrote to SCC and requested that the two routes be kept open for all users, just has as it historically has always been in the past. The Consultation has closed and we shall have to wait and see what SCC propose to do next.

TTFN

 

HUGH

 

 

Posted 13 January 2021

 

Greetings, over the past few days I have been asked by a number of motorised green lane users, not off-roaders, for guidance as to the completion of the consultation regarding the proposed repairs to Swan & Limers Rakes. The form should be completed personally, in full, noting that sections 1 through to 7 inclusive are mandatory but complete them all.

 

My advice is the need to bear in mind that this consultation is not about status change nor anything to do with Traffic Regulation Orders, it is simply about the condition to which the two routes should be repaired. I fully support the ideas of repairs, after years of neglect, but the combination of users of the roads should not solely be blamed for the current poor condition. The routes are public carriageways, but not major highways, so the standard of repairs should be appropriate to be sustainable for all legal users.

 

Various organisations will be responding on behalf of their Members, we are simply recording as an individual and as such that should be entered in the section marked ‘other.’. It is irrelevant that one may or may not be a Member of any organisation and so again our response should be recorded as an ‘individual’.

 

We motorcyclists respect and encourage all users to avail themselves of the countryside but for the future we are especially concerned for motorised access to be a priority.

 

How far one travels to visit the area is personal and related solely to the distance from one’s home to Hollinsclough, where we would welcome to meet and share with all other users.

 

I ask all motorised users to personally complete their form having regard solely to appropriate repairs;

Staffs County Council Consutation form here

 

 

Stay safe.

 

TTFN

 

 

 

 

Hugh.

Posted 11 January 2021

Greetings folks, you may have read elsewhere that Staffordshire CC are conducting a 'consultation' regarding Limers & Swann Rakes at Hollinsclough.

Please respond to Staffs CC as suggested above (posted 13 Jan).

Please pass this message on to our friends.

TTFN

 

HIGH

 

Posted 15 December 2020

Greetings feet up fans, ’Tis the season to be jolly’ - but not to be silly.

I am not being a Mr Scrooge trying to spoil folks cheer, just a gentle ‘reindeer’ that we need the goodwill of the farming and countryside communities to pursue our sport and hobbies.

We all love playing in the snow and the views around the Peak District are so magical to experience when covered in snow or simply a hard frost, however even Santa has to be careful because despite his magic powers he still cannot see what might be lurking under the friendly soft looking snow.

Sure, a great laugh to fall in to soft snow but out on the lanes there could well be a rather solid grumpy old rock just waiting for a rib or two to land on it. Hurts to laugh after one of those has had a go at your sternum or shoulder.

It is also wise and respectful to stay to the actual route and not wander off piste. Making snow donuts might seem harmless enough but the reality is that it rips up the land making it even harder for farmers to feed their animals, plus now is the time that the grasses are growing ready for spring and if we go riding inconsiderately the crop will fail leaving just mud which is not nice for us to look at nor for beasts to feed on when spring arrives.

So please, have fun days out riding but stay to the routes.

 

TTFN

 

 

Posted 10 May 2020

Heild End, Burntcliffe Top, Eagle & Child green lane route.

Greetings folks,

I was in conversation with one of the farmers up at Heild Lane and he asked that I express his gratitude to all the motorcyclists who have been courteous in riding the route over the past couple of years.

Unfortunately, however very recently some misguided people have been going up there and have been creating problems in the locality. As a consequence of this limited but serious behaviour he told me that reluctantly in the near future he intends to partially block the access but he will be leaving enough room for motorcyclists and mountain bikers to get through.

As we already know only vehicles classed as motorcycles may use the route because of the ‘old’ Cheshire TRO.

I am proud to say that in general we motorcyclists and 4X4 users are very welcome in the general area. I am sure that we can all appreciate that acknowledgement especially for when the Covid 19 lockdown ends and we can get back to normal.

TTFN

 

Hugh.

 

 

Posted 28th April 2020

Greetings folks,

A quick thank you to all those who have already sent us their completed User Evidence Form/s and map/s for Broadway & Bull Tor lanes plus the adjacent route of New Lane at Priestcliffe (Taddington) see post 5th March below.

  Our numbers are impressive but we could benefit from a few more especially from those who used the route during the 1980s, plus any up to 2004. You could have been a rider or passenger or even travelled in a car or 4X4 vehicle.

 Part of the problem is that DEFRA has discarded its previous Guidance to Inspectors so there is no real quantitive figure to show presumed dedication by use. Yes, we do have proof of such use but extra numbers would certainly assist to prove one of our points.

 Please complete two forms (click here (you need to print this twice one for Broadway/Bull Torr and one for New Lane) and here) and send them direct to our coordinator team;  ue_Derbyshire@glass-UK.org

 TTFN

 

Hugh

Posted 5th March 2020

Greetings,

In 2004 a fellow motorcyclist submitted a Definitive Map Modification Order to have New Lane, Priestcliffe classified as a BOAT. This claim is now being processed by Derbyshire County Council (DCC).

I have attached a blank copy of DCC's PDF User Evidence Form (click here)  plus their click for relevant map (click here).

If you have driven/ridden this route pre 2004, then please download and complete the forms, saving a master copy for your records, don't forget to highlight colour your route on to the map plus sign and date it too. Perhaps you may know of somebody else who rode the route but has now ceased to be active, if so please get them to record their use back then too.

Just so that our Team can correlate the submissions into a single batch please send your documents not to DCC but to;

derbyshire.rep@glass-uk.org

 TTFN

 

Hugh

 

 


A few words from Mr P:

The Nations National Parks including The Peak District Nation Park must not be allowed to become the stage for a simple minded plan “for quiet enjoyment” at the cost of the loss of rights, culture, heritage and all those things that added together made them what they are. They are wonderful places not only because of what they look like but because of what can be done there. There is space for everyone to enjoy the parks in their own way and we must not let self-interested groups impose their prejudice on the rest of us. Our national parks are for everyone not just those who want to put a pair of hiking boots and moan at everyone else they come across or those who want to sit and fall asleep looking at a landscape that no longer reflects what made it the way it is.

We, YOU YES – YOU, me and everyone who wants to continue to enjoy our National Parks and, the Peak District in particular, in our way have to stand up NOW and stop the prejudiced Peak District National Park Authority acting to wipe out the rights our fathers enjoyed and with them the heritage and culture that made the parks what they are. This small band of short sighted authoritarians are busy spending huge amounts of our money responding to the completely unjustified demands of well-funded selfish pressure groups to extinguish our rights simply because we are motorcyclists. That is prejudice. And just like everywhere everyone has the responsibility to stand up against it. If we were a religious or racial group we would have been protected against these people – as it is we have to stand up for ourselves. Let’s do just that NOW.

 

Abbreviations, Initialisms and Acronyms:

BOAT = Byway open to all traffic

TRF = Trail Riders Fellowship (this is the group that we most strongly recommend you join and to support)

LARA = Land Access & Recreation Association (these are the real ROW experts, there is no one better even in government)

LoS = List of streets taken off the definitive  map

UEF = User evidence form

PDNPA= Peak District National Park Authority

DCC = Derbyshire County Council

TRO = Traffic restriction order

PDVUG = Peak & Derbyshire Vehicle User Group

GLASS = Green Lane Association